Not much is known about the Llama serial number sequencing, so we are attempting to do a database spreadsheet. For all practical purposes, we are looking at the handguns produced under the 'Llama' name, and not the earlier Gabilondo y Cia products.
I strongly suspect that Gabilondo y Cia started a continuous one ascending number system from the point where they adopted the Llama name (early 1930s?). To start, these are some numbers I have. Please list model name/number, caliber, year code (if available) and serial number.
'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 45680 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46306 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1940 - 46883 Model II - 380 ACP - 1943 - 70989 Model I - 32 ACP - 1943 - 72994 (German GECO marked) Model II - 380 ACP - 1944 - 78290 Model I - 32 ACP - 1944 - 84482 'Extra' 9mm Largo - 1944 - 89123 Model IIIA - 380 ACP - (don't have year handy) - 739813. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I have come to the conclusion that my pistol is a X-A and not a X. I have read that the Model X-A had a grip safety added when production of this model began in 1954. Although mine has a date code of V (1951), it has a grip safety. It has a lanyard ring, arched mainspring housing and checkered wood grips with no Llama medallion. The serial number is 1471xx which would put it around 2000 after yours.
The slide has a rounded top with no sight ramp. It did not come with a box so I have no idea how it was classified when it originally sold. I will change the designation on the database list. Whether it is a X or XA it is a beautiful little piece and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot.
Regards, Cal44. I am researching a mark on my.380 Llama with serial number 6XXXX. On the right side just below the serial number is G.C in a circle. The letters are scroll. From my research, I think this is a German distributor, but I don't think it is Geco.
Once site gave a differant mark for Gustav Genschow and coompany of Berlin an ammunition manufacturer who also made some rifles, mostly.22 Another site suggested that it might be the mark of the Spanish manufaturer, but that mark does not appear on most of the small frame Llamas that I have seen. I lost a gunbroker auction on a similarly marked.32 or.380, a couple months ago, but can not find it in the advanced search so it might have been longer. This particular pistol was Nazi marked and the seller gave the name of the company that the mark belonged to, but I can't remember it. The winning bid was over $900. The pistol was in beautiful shape, and I believe untouched.
That being the case, I would think it very rare as it is the first I have seen. The germans 'adopted' many commercial pistols to equip their military, Belgian, Polish, Italian etc., but I have never seen a commercial Llama. I got interested in the baby Llamas because they were pretty well made minature 1911s. I have a.22, a.32 (both post war) and the.380 which dates to 1942-1943. Any help on the mark would be appreciated. Let me know about the springs.
If springs in the.32 and.380 problems as well? If so, any suggestions as to where I might pick up a couple. I won't shoot them much, but would like to get a couple of each just in case.my son and daughter might appreciate that when they go to sell 'emm after I'm gone. QUOTE=larryh11Hi Bill, Welcome to the forum! Does your Llama say MicroMax on it? I don't think that model came out until the 90s. By your date code I bet you have the III-A which is not marked anywhere on the slide.
R.1 was made in 1973. Does your slide say 'Especial' on it? Is it a locked breech model? (barrel has a barrel link like a 1911). That is all helpful when you look for parts or other information on your pistol.
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Just trying to help!! Larry Well Larry, Thanks so much for the help! You are correct! The gun is exactly as you said. Thanks again for the information! Personally, I am pleased with the Max series from Llama. I am sorry it didn't keep them from going under.
They are solid shooters except for the MiniMax II SC model. I've had several and the quality is suspect, at best. The one I have now may end up being a good shooter but I'm still tinkering with it. Time will tell. However, my Max I 9mm Govt size is the best 9mm shooter I have.
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It is solid, reliable, accurate and the weight handles the 9mm recoil like a dream. All the Max series Llamas I've owned or worked on are solid. Any Llama lover needs to have 1 in their collection, IMO.
Ask it to dinner and a movie? Seriously, you need the serial number in order to tell the age of a firearm.560996 On the LEFT side of LLAMA firearms, right above the tirgger, is an Alpha-Numeric Code. For instance, my Llama has 'D.2' on it.
This corresponds to the year 1984. E.2 would be 1985, F.2 would be 1986, etc. The date codes start with a single letter, like 'A', from the 1930s. After going through the alphabet once, they started with 'A.1,' then 'B.1' until they exhausted the alphabet, then they started with 'A.2' and so on. You can search 'Llama Date Codes' which may show as Star Date codes-they are the same.
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It will cross reference the date code with the year. At the business end of the pistol there's a knarled, spring loaded doohickey. With a small screw driver, press in on that so you can twist the holder at the tip of the barrel either left or right to release the spring loaded doohickey. Put the gun down & go search for the doohickey since it probably shot across the room.
Push the receiver back til the side safety catch is lined up with the notch on the receiver. You can either pull the safety out or push it out from the other side. The slide will then come off. The aforementioned holder can be twisted in the opposite direction previously mentioned & it will come out. There's a pool cue arch looking thingy that fits into the slide. Pick it up from the floor (it fell out).
This is all the further you need to go with the dissambly. The hardest part is getting the side safety pulled out because it has to be aligned with notch on the slide just so. Take it to he gun display counter at Academy Sporting Goods & the clerk will put it back together for you. The serial number on all Savage automatic pistols (model 1907, model 1915, and model 1917, all in.32 and.380) will be found just under the barrel at the front edge of the frame. Early model 1907 pistols will have the s/n on the bottom of the frame, while later model 1907 and all other models will have the s/n on the front of the frame.
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All.380 Savage pistols will start or end with the letter 'B' - the first few hundred (all are model 1907 pistols) start with 'B,' while all the rest end with 'B.' It is not uncommon for the 'B' to be misread as an '8.' FYI, the 'hammerless' model 1915 is the rarest production Savage automatic pistol, and the.380 model 1915 is the rarer of these.
About 6500.32 model 1915 pistols were made in 1915-1916 (approx s/n 130000 - 136500) and about 3900.380 model 1915 pistols were made in 1915-1917 (approx s/n 10000B - 13900B).